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"Sweet Home Alabama" Is Pro-segregation, Right?
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03:15:38 GMT
2005-10-26 19:01:35 UTC
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The Lynyrd Skynyrd song "Sweet Home Alabama" is supportive of racial
segregation, right?

http://www.skynyrd.com/lyrics/70-77/sechelp/soni.html

It criticizes Neil Young for his anti-lynching song "Southern Man",
correct? We know that Young and the band got along just fine, but that
doesn't alter the lyrics of the song, eh?

Well I heard mister Young sing about her
Well, I heard ole Neil put her down
Well, I hope Neil Young will remember
A Southern man don't need him around anyhow

The lyrics praise George Wallace, the infamous segregationist Alabama
governor of the era, in several place, correctamundo?

In Birmingham they love the governor
Now we all did what we could do
Now Watergate does not bother me
Does your conscience bother you?
Tell the truth

[...]

Sweet home Alabama
Oh sweet home baby
Where the skies are so blue
And the governor's true
Sweet Home Alabama
Lordy
Lord, I'm coming home to you
Yea, yea Montgomery's got the answer

The only possible defense is that the lyrics were written in
character, am I right or am I right? But the band never claimed that
this was the case, is that accurate?
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Ari <***@despammed.com>
Right?
G.T. Tyson
2005-10-26 21:25:25 UTC
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Post by 03:15:38 GMT
The Lynyrd Skynyrd song "Sweet Home Alabama" is supportive of racial
segregation, right?
Oh, don't be deliberately stupid. The South has been trying to shake
off that whole image for years now. Every now and then someone with a
vested interest in keeping racism alive (Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton
being the most publicized examples)will spout off about it and get
people all riled up for no good reason. The Neil Young song referenced
in the Skynyrd lyric made it sound as if such things were still
occurring. Skynyrd were basically dissing Neil Young for dredging up
those embarrassing chapters when most folks here would like nothing
better than to put it all behind us. I've lived here all my life and
have never witnessed a cross burning or lynching or any KKK activity of
any kind. There are, of course, occasional exceptions, but the
perpetrators end up doing hard time in the Big House.
Most of us, with the exception of a nearly-nonexistant minority of
hardasses who pose no real threat to anyone except when they're drunk,
would like to greet the future without that particular millstone around
our necks. We're not ALL potbellied tobacco-chewing rednecks here, and
anyone who says otherwise is just as guilty of racism (and profiling) as
someone who throws around the word "nigger" carelessly.

All that shit was YESTERDAY. This is TODAY. Tomorrow, hopefully, will
be even better.


gtt
Paul
2005-10-26 21:47:40 UTC
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Right on GT, I am from Jacksonville,Fla. and now live in Orange Park, I pass
the road that Ronnie Van Zant lived on twice a day, so it's still very cool
with me.
Paul
Post by 03:15:38 GMT
The Lynyrd Skynyrd song "Sweet Home Alabama" is supportive of racial
segregation, right?
Oh, don't be deliberately stupid. The South has been trying to shake off
that whole image for years now. Every now and then someone with a vested
interest in keeping racism alive (Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton being the
most publicized examples)will spout off about it and get people all riled
up for no good reason. The Neil Young song referenced in the Skynyrd lyric
made it sound as if such things were still occurring. Skynyrd were
basically dissing Neil Young for dredging up those embarrassing chapters
when most folks here would like nothing better than to put it all behind
us. I've lived here all my life and have never witnessed a cross burning
or lynching or any KKK activity of any kind. There are, of course,
occasional exceptions, but the perpetrators end up doing hard time in the
Big House.
Most of us, with the exception of a nearly-nonexistant minority of
hardasses who pose no real threat to anyone except when they're drunk,
would like to greet the future without that particular millstone around
our necks. We're not ALL potbellied tobacco-chewing rednecks here, and
anyone who says otherwise is just as guilty of racism (and profiling) as
someone who throws around the word "nigger" carelessly.
All that shit was YESTERDAY. This is TODAY. Tomorrow, hopefully, will be
even better.
gtt
John
2005-10-27 02:27:53 UTC
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It's not only "Southern Man" they were referring to. They were also
responding to "Alabama". Neil Young and Ronnie Van Zant always
mentioned how each others music influenced them. If Ronnie Van Zant
hated Neil Young, you wouldn't have seen him wearing a Neil Young tee
shirt so often. Skynrd was trying to push the "southern" personna of
the band. What better way than to hang a Confederate flag on the stage
and to lyrically (is that a word?) attack someone who was criticizing
the pre civil rights movement south. By the way, he was wearing a Neil
Young tee shirt when the plane crashed.

Neil Young can easily be compared to people like Jackson, Sharpton, and
Dylan who look for problems so they can put their loud mouths to use
and have a reason to be noticed. Skynrd capitalized on Neil Young's
mission in life.

They probably included the lyrics "In Birmingham they love the governor
" because In Birmingham they loved the governor.
Seperate reality from the acting that goes on in the entertainment
industry.

John
03:15:38 GMT
2005-10-27 16:03:26 UTC
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Post by John
It's not only "Southern Man" they were referring to. They were also
responding to "Alabama". Neil Young and Ronnie Van Zant always
mentioned how each others music influenced them. If Ronnie Van Zant
hated Neil Young, you wouldn't have seen him wearing a Neil Young tee
shirt so often.
The question isn't whether Young and van Zant got along. By most
accounts they did. The question is whether the song "Sweet Home
Alabama" is pro-segregation.
Post by John
Skynrd was trying to push the "southern" personna of
the band. What better way than to hang a Confederate flag on the stage
and to lyrically (is that a word?) attack someone who was criticizing
the pre civil rights movement south.
...and to praise one of the primary foes of the civil rights movement.
Post by John
By the way, he was wearing a Neil Young tee shirt when the plane crashed.
Neil Young can easily be compared to people like Jackson, Sharpton, and
Dylan who look for problems so they can put their loud mouths to use
and have a reason to be noticed. Skynrd capitalized on Neil Young's
mission in life.
This world would be a much better place if certain people would just
stop looking for problems. When has publicizing problems ever helped
anyone? I mean, so what if whites and blacks couldn't marry? The skies
were still blue. Can't the likes of Young concentrate on the blueness
of the skies?
Post by John
They probably included the lyrics "In Birmingham they love the governor
" because In Birmingham they loved the governor.
Why did they include the lines "The governor's true" and "Montgomery's
got the answer"?
Post by John
Seperate reality from the acting that goes on in the entertainment
industry.
I do, which is why I haven't complained about a bunch of Floridians
singing about "Sweet Home Alabama".
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Ari <***@despammed.com>
03:15:38 GMT
2005-10-27 15:49:07 UTC
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Post by G.T. Tyson
Post by 03:15:38 GMT
The Lynyrd Skynyrd song "Sweet Home Alabama" is supportive of racial
segregation, right?
Oh, don't be deliberately stupid.
If I'm being deliberately stupid, how come the rest of your message
offers precisely zero arguments for why the song isn't supportive of
racial segregation? Instead you talk about the accuracy and timeliness
of Neil Young's song, as if those things had any bearing on the
matter.

But hell, we can talk about Young's song, too, if "Sweet Home Alabama"
is too tough to defend.
Post by G.T. Tyson
The South has been trying to shake off that whole image for years
now. Every now and then someone with a vested interest in keeping
racism alive (Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton being the most
publicized examples)will spout off about it and get people all
riled up for no good reason. The Neil Young song referenced in the
Skynyrd lyric made it sound as if such things were still occurring.
Skynyrd were basically dissing Neil Young for dredging up those
embarrassing chapters when most folks here would like nothing
better than to put it all behind us. I've lived here all my life
and have never witnessed a cross burning or lynching or any KKK
activity of any kind. There are, of course, occasional exceptions,
but the perpetrators end up doing hard time in the Big House.
"Southern Man" came out in 1970. I'm not a Southerner nor was I even
alive then, but I do know that at that time pro-segregation
politicians, like George Wallace, still enjoyed a considerable amount
of popularity in many parts of the South. Lily Belle with the golden
brown hair couldn't have legally married her black man in Alabama till
2000. The racists who only wanted to maintain racial segregation may
have been offended by being cast in with the racists who used
bullwhips and burned crosses, but I can't say that I have much
sympathy for them.

[...]
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Ari <***@despammed.com>
Joe
2005-10-27 12:49:00 UTC
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In Birmingham they love the governor
(Backup singers go "Boo boo boo")
They're booing Wallace.

HOWEVER, "We all did what we could do" means they did all they could do
to get him in office. That's coming from one of the co-writers on the
song.

It all boils down to the man who wrote the lyrics probably had SOME
conflicting feelings on this subject and it's up to you to interpret
what it means to you. I think Ronnie wrote it that way. If you're
racist and think the song is racist, then buy the album! If you aren't
racist and think the song is anti-racism, then buy the album! If you
write songs that are like this, then you aren't leaving anyone out.
03:15:38 GMT
2005-10-27 15:10:55 UTC
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Post by 03:15:38 GMT
In Birmingham they love the governor
(Backup singers go "Boo boo boo")
They're booing Wallace.
Or they're mocking people who would suggest to Southerners that they
shouldn't love Wallace. "Boo boo boo" isn't much of a criticism. The
rest of the lyrics state that "the governer's true", and that
"Montgomery's got the answer", without any booing, so it sure sounds
like a pro-Wallace song to me.
Post by 03:15:38 GMT
HOWEVER, "We all did what we could do" means they did all they could do
to get him in office. That's coming from one of the co-writers on the
song.
Right. Those lines about loving the governor and Watergate are meant
to suggest that, hey, at least Wallace isn't Nixon. It's an extremely
weak tu quoque, to be sure - they compare supporting a guy who turned
out to be a crook to supporting a guy who ran to maintain racial
segregation.
Post by 03:15:38 GMT
It all boils down to the man who wrote the lyrics probably had SOME
conflicting feelings on this subject and it's up to you to interpret
what it means to you. I think Ronnie wrote it that way. If you're
racist and think the song is racist, then buy the album! If you aren't
racist and think the song is anti-racism, then buy the album! If you
write songs that are like this, then you aren't leaving anyone out.
Except the racists who think it's anti-racist - are there any? - and
the anti-racists who think it's racist.
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Ari <***@despammed.com>
Joe
2005-10-27 15:25:49 UTC
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Post by 03:15:38 GMT
Or they're mocking people who would suggest to Southerners that they
shouldn't love Wallace. "Boo boo boo" isn't much of a criticism. The
rest of the lyrics state that "the governer's true", and that
"Montgomery's got the answer", without any booing, so it sure sounds
like a pro-Wallace song to me.
Honestly, none of these guys were from Alabama. Most of the band was
from Jacksonville, FL and Ed was from California. He now lives in TN.
They didn't vote for Wallace but I'm sure they followed him. Back in
74, Wallace gave them all plaques declairing them Honorary Members of
the Alabama State Militia. Ed still has his.
Post by 03:15:38 GMT
Right. Those lines about loving the governor and Watergate are meant
to suggest that, hey, at least Wallace isn't Nixon. It's an extremely
weak tu quoque, to be sure - they compare supporting a guy who turned
out to be a crook to supporting a guy who ran to maintain racial
segregation.
Nooo, they're saying Watergate was a thousand miles away and they
aren't worried about it. You know, of course, Wallace changed his
views on segregation and won with BLACK votes later on. Read up on
that, it's kinda crazy.
Post by 03:15:38 GMT
Except the racists who think it's anti-racist - are there any? - and
the anti-racists who think it's racist.
I don't guess there are many because it seems everyone in the US has
purchased a copy and not too many people think it's a bad song. They
were just musicians, not politicians. Ed King is very proud of that
song. I've had to opportunity to sit down and jam with him on that
song. He taught me parts that even Gary Rossington doesn't know!
03:15:38 GMT
2005-10-27 16:32:59 UTC
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Post by Joe
Post by 03:15:38 GMT
Or they're mocking people who would suggest to Southerners that they
shouldn't love Wallace. "Boo boo boo" isn't much of a criticism. The
rest of the lyrics state that "the governer's true", and that
"Montgomery's got the answer", without any booing, so it sure sounds
like a pro-Wallace song to me.
Honestly, none of these guys were from Alabama. Most of the band was
from Jacksonville, FL and Ed was from California. He now lives in TN.
They didn't vote for Wallace but I'm sure they followed him. Back in
74, Wallace gave them all plaques declairing them Honorary Members of
the Alabama State Militia. Ed still has his.
Some of them may have voted for Wallace in one or more of his runs for
president. He ran as a Democrat in 1964, 1972, and 1976, but didn't
get the nomination, and as an American Independent Party candidate in
1968. He carried Alabama among a handful of Southern states.
Post by Joe
Post by 03:15:38 GMT
Right. Those lines about loving the governor and Watergate are meant
to suggest that, hey, at least Wallace isn't Nixon. It's an extremely
weak tu quoque, to be sure - they compare supporting a guy who turned
out to be a crook to supporting a guy who ran to maintain racial
segregation.
Nooo, they're saying Watergate was a thousand miles away and they
aren't worried about it.
I read the lines "In Birmingham they love the governor / Now we all
did what we could do / Now Watergate does not bother me / Does your
conscience bother you?" as suggesting that Watergate doesn't bother
the lyricist because he "did what [he] could do" and that Nixon
supporters should look at what their boy has done before booing
Wallace.
Post by Joe
You know, of course, Wallace changed his
views on segregation and won with BLACK votes later on. Read up on
that, it's kinda crazy.
Wallace didn't really recant till the late '70s and "Sweet Home
Alabama" came out in 1974.
Post by Joe
I don't guess there are many because it seems everyone in the US has
purchased a copy and not too many people think it's a bad song.
The music is one matter, the lyrics another. Besides, in my experience
people rarely think about rock lyrics too deeply.
Post by Joe
They were just musicians, not politicians.
Non-politicians can make political statements. Clearly the song has
some political content, as it talks about a politician, mentions a
political scandal, and criticizes another song with political content.
Post by Joe
Ed King is very proud of that
song. I've had to opportunity to sit down and jam with him on that
song. He taught me parts that even Gary Rossington doesn't know!
That was nice of him.
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Ari <***@despammed.com>
Joe
2005-10-27 18:23:45 UTC
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Post by 03:15:38 GMT
Some of them may have voted for Wallace in one or more of his runs for
president. He ran as a Democrat in 1964, 1972, and 1976, but didn't
get the nomination, and as an American Independent Party candidate in
1968. He carried Alabama among a handful of Southern states.
I don't even consider his runs for president. He never made it - may
have!
Post by 03:15:38 GMT
I read the lines "In Birmingham they love the governor / Now we all
did what we could do / Now Watergate does not bother me / Does your
conscience bother you?" as suggesting that Watergate doesn't bother
the lyricist because he "did what [he] could do" and that Nixon
supporters should look at what their boy has done before booing
Wallace.
According to Ed, they didn't care about Watergate. It was too far
away. They weren't comparing Nixon to Wallace.
Post by 03:15:38 GMT
Wallace didn't really recant till the late '70s and "Sweet Home
Alabama" came out in 1974.
I'm just saying the guy wasn't some hard core racist running around
with his bedsheet wrapped around him.
Post by 03:15:38 GMT
The music is one matter, the lyrics another. Besides, in my experience
people rarely think about rock lyrics too deeply.
It's JUST a song. A damn good one, at that.
Post by 03:15:38 GMT
Non-politicians can make political statements. Clearly the song has
some political content, as it talks about a politician, mentions a
political scandal, and criticizes another song with political content.
But what impact does this song have politically? None.
Post by 03:15:38 GMT
That was nice of him.
Ed is a great guy. Not the hard core racist I think you're seeing them
as...
03:15:38 GMT
2005-10-29 10:17:48 UTC
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Post by Joe
Post by 03:15:38 GMT
Some of them may have voted for Wallace in one or more of his runs for
president. He ran as a Democrat in 1964, 1972, and 1976, but didn't
get the nomination, and as an American Independent Party candidate in
1968. He carried Alabama among a handful of Southern states.
I don't even consider his runs for president. He never made it - may
have!
You were the one who introduced the question of whether the band ever
voted for Wallace. I merely pointed out that it was possible for them
to have done so.
Post by Joe
Post by 03:15:38 GMT
I read the lines "In Birmingham they love the governor / Now we all
did what we could do / Now Watergate does not bother me / Does your
conscience bother you?" as suggesting that Watergate doesn't bother
the lyricist because he "did what [he] could do" and that Nixon
supporters should look at what their boy has done before booing
Wallace.
According to Ed, they didn't care about Watergate. It was too far
away. They weren't comparing Nixon to Wallace.
If that's the case, the line about Watergate is a bit of a non
sequitur.
Post by Joe
Post by 03:15:38 GMT
Wallace didn't really recant till the late '70s and "Sweet Home
Alabama" came out in 1974.
I'm just saying the guy wasn't some hard core racist running around
with his bedsheet wrapped around him.
Not only was Wallace a racist, in the late '60s and early '70s he was
the public face of racism in the USA. His change of heart came after
he had mostly lost his fight to deny equal rights to
African-Americans.
Post by Joe
Post by 03:15:38 GMT
The music is one matter, the lyrics another. Besides, in my experience
people rarely think about rock lyrics too deeply.
It's JUST a song. A damn good one, at that.
I don't recall suggesting that it's something other than a song.
Post by Joe
Post by 03:15:38 GMT
Non-politicians can make political statements. Clearly the song has
some political content, as it talks about a politician, mentions a
political scandal, and criticizes another song with political content.
But what impact does this song have politically? None.
"Sweet Home Alabama" is a very popular song which appears to associate
a segregationist politician with Southern pride. Regardless of its
current political impact, that shouldn't be ignored when we talk about
it.

I suspect that the song's current political impact is fairly small -
Wallace is dead and racial segregation is largely a thing of the past
in the US. At the time it came out, however, Wallace was reportedly
pleased with the song, so he probably thought that it helped his
public image.
Post by Joe
Post by 03:15:38 GMT
That was nice of him.
Ed is a great guy. Not the hard core racist I think you're seeing them
as...
I don't know whether Mr King is a racist. Although the lyrics to the
song reflect badly on the band, their existence doesn't necessarily
lead to the conclusion that all band members are or were racists.
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Ari <***@despammed.com>
RocknRoll_Outlaw
2005-11-06 19:42:43 UTC
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Well if the south is so bad then why are so many yankees moving south? The
yankees that have moved in and around my neighborhood, all tell me they are
moving south because of the degradation of there towns and cities in the
north.So if we are all racist here in the south,then stay the hell in the
north and leave use Southerns alone, and hell no I don't like Neil Young.He
is not even a American and he comes here and writes songs about how we are
so bad.
Post by 03:15:38 GMT
Post by Joe
Post by 03:15:38 GMT
Some of them may have voted for Wallace in one or more of his runs for
president. He ran as a Democrat in 1964, 1972, and 1976, but didn't
get the nomination, and as an American Independent Party candidate in
1968. He carried Alabama among a handful of Southern states.
I don't even consider his runs for president. He never made it - may
have!
You were the one who introduced the question of whether the band ever
voted for Wallace. I merely pointed out that it was possible for them
to have done so.
Post by Joe
Post by 03:15:38 GMT
I read the lines "In Birmingham they love the governor / Now we all
did what we could do / Now Watergate does not bother me / Does your
conscience bother you?" as suggesting that Watergate doesn't bother
the lyricist because he "did what [he] could do" and that Nixon
supporters should look at what their boy has done before booing
Wallace.
According to Ed, they didn't care about Watergate. It was too far
away. They weren't comparing Nixon to Wallace.
If that's the case, the line about Watergate is a bit of a non
sequitur.
Post by Joe
Post by 03:15:38 GMT
Wallace didn't really recant till the late '70s and "Sweet Home
Alabama" came out in 1974.
I'm just saying the guy wasn't some hard core racist running around
with his bedsheet wrapped around him.
Not only was Wallace a racist, in the late '60s and early '70s he was
the public face of racism in the USA. His change of heart came after
he had mostly lost his fight to deny equal rights to
African-Americans.
Post by Joe
Post by 03:15:38 GMT
The music is one matter, the lyrics another. Besides, in my experience
people rarely think about rock lyrics too deeply.
It's JUST a song. A damn good one, at that.
I don't recall suggesting that it's something other than a song.
Post by Joe
Post by 03:15:38 GMT
Non-politicians can make political statements. Clearly the song has
some political content, as it talks about a politician, mentions a
political scandal, and criticizes another song with political content.
But what impact does this song have politically? None.
"Sweet Home Alabama" is a very popular song which appears to associate
a segregationist politician with Southern pride. Regardless of its
current political impact, that shouldn't be ignored when we talk about
it.
I suspect that the song's current political impact is fairly small -
Wallace is dead and racial segregation is largely a thing of the past
in the US. At the time it came out, however, Wallace was reportedly
pleased with the song, so he probably thought that it helped his
public image.
Post by Joe
Post by 03:15:38 GMT
That was nice of him.
Ed is a great guy. Not the hard core racist I think you're seeing them
as...
I don't know whether Mr King is a racist. Although the lyrics to the
song reflect badly on the band, their existence doesn't necessarily
lead to the conclusion that all band members are or were racists.
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c***@webtv.net
2005-11-13 07:21:23 UTC
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Post by 03:15:38 GMT
Not only was Wallace a racist, in the late
'60s and early '70s he was the public face
of racism in the USA.
I don't think Wallace gave a damn about blacks one way or another... he
was the public face of racism, but first and foremost he was a
demagogue. Whatever he thought the people wanted to hear and would get
him elected to office is what he believed in. Early in his career
Wallace lost to an opponent who ran on the segregationist platform and
vowed he would never be "outsegged" again.
cmjaltx
2005-12-22 08:23:13 UTC
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George Wallace was a hard individual to get along with. His career really
didn't need racism and a KKK image to maintain leadership for so long and
then some from his wife Lurleen. As a supporter of Kennedy policy though we
had some faith in Wallaces down the road after the racism thing past but his
leadership was that of a dictator. He had a deep sentiment against what is
known as a Nigger Nigra foresay to him theres a certain difference that is
distinctive and they were the ones Martin Luther King drawn attention from
esp. during and the first stages of his governorship.He did employ black
people but not those typos and he was seriously bent on anything spoken
behind his back that implied he was a racist, in fact he would have
personally thrown you out of a campaign headquarters himself had he heard
you speaking of a racist issue according to his son whom has become the
Public Service Commissioner in Alabama and whom I wen to school with. But
since the Public Service Commission stopped funding of certain handicap
programs to place them under review till new legislation could be enacted
and up until they supported giving BellSouth the power to add taxes where
other companies could choose not to add them we became arch enemies. I long
lost the styrafoam hat from the campaign, the one with the bite from it,
anyway life prospered and now all the problem is Terrorism which I do not
see it as beyond bravery rather below stupidity. Black Nigger Nigras so he
would have spoke of did not have that as a concept nor have the right to
life campaigners ever chose to donate themselves as a suicide bomber.
Tracking of KKK began long ago and still continues today, if terrorists
could be looked upon as a racist as such the KKK is there wouldn't need be
any such Patriot Act as those suspicious persons would not just be tracked
but easedropped on as in wire taps without having to have court injunctions
as the founded operation against the KKK Movement is still existing today
and has tracked the movement to Aruba, Russia, Italy, Germany, etc all over
the world and convicted in Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, Texas etc so need
I say more. Just where were they when the 911 incident tore through the
hearts of all Americans, where were they when finding Bin Laden was
critical, where are they today on the terrorism issue? Everyone in Jr.High,
and High schools did not care one way or the other of a hidden meaning
behind the wordings of the song, Sweet Home Alabama, as it was a favorite. I
had already graduated in 1971, never experienced a bus boycott downtown
Montgomery or elsewhere like once I went to a walkin movie in Birmingham and
that was still a issue signs and posters still existed about Whites Only and
that kept up its momentum in Mississippi for a long while thereafter. Where
are they today, watching Tyra walking around with herfinger in her belly
button,its only logical. I say logical because Europeans wanted to boast the
fashion industry and dove head first into African cultures knowing that
would affect american/africans and they have a jump on the market in Africa
which transpired quickly. That's why they got more support for the EURO
Dollar, banking is in european countries not Africa. You might find Bin
Ladins' kinfolk marching towards them banks to secure their diamond mines
without fearing them as backers of suicide bombers and the Al Quaeda, he was
not the only person to set ouit to attend German schools many came from
Africa funded by Ladens' kinfolks diamond movement. Canadian assets are
major in Africa, esp.in diamond investment because of British Patent issues
otherwise being owned by the African government.Canadians free up much of
their assets for Africa and Cuban commercialism and will be a major offshore
oil backer for Cuba soon when Cuba and Venezuela manage to iron out their
deals if Cuba gets the upper hand that is. Southern Pop-Rock is one of my
favorite listening genres. I liked Jimmy Hendrix and lots of soul and the
blues but thats still a favorite even so Hip-Hop, RnB, and Rap have grown in
the south as favorites. Music is not my cupof tea, nor dancing but the
Lynyrd Skynyrd song "Sweet Home Alabama" is stilla major favorite group too.
Salsa you need lots of room and is considered as a outdoor genre rather than
a dancehall as some on stage artists aremaking it as its a hot genre
intended for the outdoors. Lynyrd Skynyrd music is a traveling music for on
the road.
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Post by Joe
Post by 03:15:38 GMT
Some of them may have voted for Wallace in one or more of his runs for
president. He ran as a Democrat in 1964, 1972, and 1976, but didn't
get the nomination, and as an American Independent Party candidate in
1968. He carried Alabama among a handful of Southern states.
I don't even consider his runs for president. He never made it - may
have!
You were the one who introduced the question of whether the band ever
voted for Wallace. I merely pointed out that it was possible for them
to have done so.
Post by Joe
Post by 03:15:38 GMT
I read the lines "In Birmingham they love the governor / Now we all
did what we could do / Now Watergate does not bother me / Does your
conscience bother you?" as suggesting that Watergate doesn't bother
the lyricist because he "did what [he] could do" and that Nixon
supporters should look at what their boy has done before booing
Wallace.
According to Ed, they didn't care about Watergate. It was too far
away. They weren't comparing Nixon to Wallace.
If that's the case, the line about Watergate is a bit of a non
sequitur.
Post by Joe
Post by 03:15:38 GMT
Wallace didn't really recant till the late '70s and "Sweet Home
Alabama" came out in 1974.
I'm just saying the guy wasn't some hard core racist running around
with his bedsheet wrapped around him.
Not only was Wallace a racist, in the late '60s and early '70s he was
the public face of racism in the USA. His change of heart came after
he had mostly lost his fight to deny equal rights to
African-Americans.
Post by Joe
Post by 03:15:38 GMT
The music is one matter, the lyrics another. Besides, in my experience
people rarely think about rock lyrics too deeply.
It's JUST a song. A damn good one, at that.
I don't recall suggesting that it's something other than a song.
Post by Joe
Post by 03:15:38 GMT
Non-politicians can make political statements. Clearly the song has
some political content, as it talks about a politician, mentions a
political scandal, and criticizes another song with political content.
But what impact does this song have politically? None.
"Sweet Home Alabama" is a very popular song which appears to associate
a segregationist politician with Southern pride. Regardless of its
current political impact, that shouldn't be ignored when we talk about
it.
I suspect that the song's current political impact is fairly small -
Wallace is dead and racial segregation is largely a thing of the past
in the US. At the time it came out, however, Wallace was reportedly
pleased with the song, so he probably thought that it helped his
public image.
Post by Joe
Post by 03:15:38 GMT
That was nice of him.
Ed is a great guy. Not the hard core racist I think you're seeing them
as...
I don't know whether Mr King is a racist. Although the lyrics to the
song reflect badly on the band, their existence doesn't necessarily
lead to the conclusion that all band members are or were racists.
--
03:15:38 GMT
2005-12-22 11:44:20 UTC
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Post by cmjaltx
George Wallace was a hard individual to get along with. His career really
didn't need racism and a KKK image to maintain leadership for so long and
then some from his wife Lurleen. As a supporter of Kennedy policy though we
had some faith in Wallaces down the road after the racism thing past but his
leadership was that of a dictator. He had a deep sentiment against what is
known as a Nigger Nigra foresay to him theres a certain difference that is
distinctive and they were the ones Martin Luther King drawn attention from
esp. during and the first stages of his governorship.He did employ black
people but not those typos and he was seriously bent on anything spoken
behind his back that implied he was a racist, in fact he would have
personally thrown you out of a campaign headquarters himself had he heard
you speaking of a racist issue according to his son whom has become the
Public Service Commissioner in Alabama and whom I wen to school with. But
since the Public Service Commission stopped funding of certain handicap
programs to place them under review till new legislation could be enacted
and up until they supported giving BellSouth the power to add taxes where
other companies could choose not to add them we became arch enemies. I long
lost the styrafoam hat from the campaign, the one with the bite from it,
anyway life prospered and now all the problem is Terrorism which I do not
see it as beyond bravery rather below stupidity. Black Nigger Nigras so he
would have spoke of did not have that as a concept nor have the right to
life campaigners ever chose to donate themselves as a suicide bomber.
Tracking of KKK began long ago and still continues today, if terrorists
could be looked upon as a racist as such the KKK is there wouldn't need be
any such Patriot Act as those suspicious persons would not just be tracked
but easedropped on as in wire taps without having to have court injunctions
as the founded operation against the KKK Movement is still existing today
and has tracked the movement to Aruba, Russia, Italy, Germany, etc all over
the world and convicted in Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, Texas etc so need
I say more. Just where were they when the 911 incident tore through the
hearts of all Americans, where were they when finding Bin Laden was
critical, where are they today on the terrorism issue? Everyone in Jr.High,
and High schools did not care one way or the other of a hidden meaning
behind the wordings of the song, Sweet Home Alabama, as it was a favorite. I
had already graduated in 1971, never experienced a bus boycott downtown
Montgomery or elsewhere like once I went to a walkin movie in Birmingham and
that was still a issue signs and posters still existed about Whites Only and
that kept up its momentum in Mississippi for a long while thereafter. Where
are they today, watching Tyra walking around with herfinger in her belly
button,its only logical. I say logical because Europeans wanted to boast the
fashion industry and dove head first into African cultures knowing that
would affect american/africans and they have a jump on the market in Africa
which transpired quickly. That's why they got more support for the EURO
Dollar, banking is in european countries not Africa. You might find Bin
Ladins' kinfolk marching towards them banks to secure their diamond mines
without fearing them as backers of suicide bombers and the Al Quaeda, he was
not the only person to set ouit to attend German schools many came from
Africa funded by Ladens' kinfolks diamond movement. Canadian assets are
major in Africa, esp.in diamond investment because of British Patent issues
otherwise being owned by the African government.Canadians free up much of
their assets for Africa and Cuban commercialism and will be a major offshore
oil backer for Cuba soon when Cuba and Venezuela manage to iron out their
deals if Cuba gets the upper hand that is. Southern Pop-Rock is one of my
favorite listening genres. I liked Jimmy Hendrix and lots of soul and the
blues but thats still a favorite even so Hip-Hop, RnB, and Rap have grown in
the south as favorites. Music is not my cupof tea, nor dancing but the
Lynyrd Skynyrd song "Sweet Home Alabama" is stilla major favorite group too.
Salsa you need lots of room and is considered as a outdoor genre rather than
a dancehall as some on stage artists aremaking it as its a hot genre
intended for the outdoors. Lynyrd Skynyrd music is a traveling music for on
the road.
It's helpful to "segregate" your text into paragraphs. It makes your
text more pleasant to read for the "discriminating" eye.
--
Ari <***@despammed.com>
"What you should also consider highly probably is how [mail-bombing]
will affect the 2005 awards: you'd be forced to scrap it and start
all over again...and again." -- James Koput, WÔrst Flamer 2003-...
Burnham Treezdown
2005-12-25 08:13:39 UTC
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Post by cmjaltx
George Wallace was a hard individual to get along with. His career really
didn't need racism and a KKK image to maintain leadership for so long and
then some from his wife Lurleen. As a supporter of Kennedy policy though we
had some faith in Wallaces down the road after the racism thing past but his
leadership was that of a dictator. He had a deep sentiment against what is
known as a Nigger Nigra foresay to him theres a certain difference that is
distinctive and they were the ones Martin Luther King drawn attention from
esp. during and the first stages of his governorship.He did employ black
people but not those typos and he was seriously bent on anything spoken
behind his back that implied he was a racist, in fact he would have
personally thrown you out of a campaign headquarters himself had he heard
you speaking of a racist issue according to his son whom has become the
Public Service Commissioner in Alabama and whom I wen to school with. But
since the Public Service Commission stopped funding of certain handicap
programs to place them under review till new legislation could be enacted
and up until they supported giving BellSouth the power to add taxes where
other companies could choose not to add them we became arch enemies. I long
lost the styrafoam hat from the campaign, the one with the bite from it,
anyway life prospered and now all the problem is Terrorism which I do not
see it as beyond bravery rather below stupidity. Black Nigger Nigras so he
would have spoke of did not have that as a concept nor have the right to
life campaigners ever chose to donate themselves as a suicide bomber.
Tracking of KKK began long ago and still continues today, if terrorists
could be looked upon as a racist as such the KKK is there wouldn't need be
any such Patriot Act as those suspicious persons would not just be tracked
but easedropped on as in wire taps without having to have court injunctions
as the founded operation against the KKK Movement is still existing today
and has tracked the movement to Aruba, Russia, Italy, Germany, etc all over
the world and convicted in Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, Texas etc so need
I say more. Just where were they when the 911 incident tore through the
hearts of all Americans, where were they when finding Bin Laden was
critical, where are they today on the terrorism issue? Everyone in Jr.High,
and High schools did not care one way or the other of a hidden meaning
behind the wordings of the song, Sweet Home Alabama, as it was a favorite. I
had already graduated in 1971, never experienced a bus boycott downtown
Montgomery or elsewhere like once I went to a walkin movie in Birmingham and
that was still a issue signs and posters still existed about Whites Only and
that kept up its momentum in Mississippi for a long while thereafter. Where
are they today, watching Tyra walking around with herfinger in her belly
button,its only logical. I say logical because Europeans wanted to boast the
fashion industry and dove head first into African cultures knowing that
would affect american/africans and they have a jump on the market in Africa
which transpired quickly. That's why they got more support for the EURO
Dollar, banking is in european countries not Africa. You might find Bin
Ladins' kinfolk marching towards them banks to secure their diamond mines
without fearing them as backers of suicide bombers and the Al Quaeda, he was
not the only person to set ouit to attend German schools many came from
Africa funded by Ladens' kinfolks diamond movement. Canadian assets are
major in Africa, esp.in diamond investment because of British Patent issues
otherwise being owned by the African government.Canadians free up much of
their assets for Africa and Cuban commercialism and will be a major offshore
oil backer for Cuba soon when Cuba and Venezuela manage to iron out their
deals if Cuba gets the upper hand that is. Southern Pop-Rock is one of my
favorite listening genres. I liked Jimmy Hendrix and lots of soul and the
blues but thats still a favorite even so Hip-Hop, RnB, and Rap have grown in
the south as favorites. Music is not my cupof tea, nor dancing but the
Lynyrd Skynyrd song "Sweet Home Alabama" is stilla major favorite group too.
Salsa you need lots of room and is considered as a outdoor genre rather than
a dancehall as some on stage artists aremaking it as its a hot genre
intended for the outdoors. Lynyrd Skynyrd music is a traveling music for on
the road.
WTF?

Southern literacy at its best....
pTooner
2005-12-29 04:50:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by Burnham Treezdown
Post by cmjaltx
George Wallace was a hard individual to get along with. His career really
didn't need racism and a KKK image to maintain leadership for so long and
then some from his wife Lurleen. As a supporter of Kennedy policy though we
had some faith in Wallaces down the road after the racism thing past but his
leadership was that of a dictator. He had a deep sentiment against what is
known as a Nigger Nigra foresay to him theres a certain difference that is
distinctive and they were the ones Martin Luther King drawn attention from
esp. during and the first stages of his governorship.He did employ black
people but not those typos and he was seriously bent on anything spoken
behind his back that implied he was a racist, in fact he would have
personally thrown you out of a campaign headquarters himself had he heard
you speaking of a racist issue according to his son whom has become the
Public Service Commissioner in Alabama and whom I wen to school with. But
since the Public Service Commission stopped funding of certain handicap
programs to place them under review till new legislation could be enacted
and up until they supported giving BellSouth the power to add taxes where
other companies could choose not to add them we became arch enemies. I long
lost the styrafoam hat from the campaign, the one with the bite from it,
anyway life prospered and now all the problem is Terrorism which I do not
see it as beyond bravery rather below stupidity. Black Nigger Nigras so he
would have spoke of did not have that as a concept nor have the right to
life campaigners ever chose to donate themselves as a suicide bomber.
Tracking of KKK began long ago and still continues today, if terrorists
could be looked upon as a racist as such the KKK is there wouldn't need be
any such Patriot Act as those suspicious persons would not just be tracked
but easedropped on as in wire taps without having to have court injunctions
as the founded operation against the KKK Movement is still existing today
and has tracked the movement to Aruba, Russia, Italy, Germany, etc all over
the world and convicted in Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, Texas etc so need
I say more. Just where were they when the 911 incident tore through the
hearts of all Americans, where were they when finding Bin Laden was
critical, where are they today on the terrorism issue? Everyone in Jr.High,
and High schools did not care one way or the other of a hidden meaning
behind the wordings of the song, Sweet Home Alabama, as it was a favorite. I
had already graduated in 1971, never experienced a bus boycott downtown
Montgomery or elsewhere like once I went to a walkin movie in Birmingham and
that was still a issue signs and posters still existed about Whites Only and
that kept up its momentum in Mississippi for a long while thereafter. Where
are they today, watching Tyra walking around with herfinger in her belly
button,its only logical. I say logical because Europeans wanted to boast the
fashion industry and dove head first into African cultures knowing that
would affect american/africans and they have a jump on the market in Africa
which transpired quickly. That's why they got more support for the EURO
Dollar, banking is in european countries not Africa. You might find Bin
Ladins' kinfolk marching towards them banks to secure their diamond mines
without fearing them as backers of suicide bombers and the Al Quaeda, he was
not the only person to set ouit to attend German schools many came from
Africa funded by Ladens' kinfolks diamond movement. Canadian assets are
major in Africa, esp.in diamond investment because of British Patent issues
otherwise being owned by the African government.Canadians free up much of
their assets for Africa and Cuban commercialism and will be a major offshore
oil backer for Cuba soon when Cuba and Venezuela manage to iron out their
deals if Cuba gets the upper hand that is. Southern Pop-Rock is one of my
favorite listening genres. I liked Jimmy Hendrix and lots of soul and the
blues but thats still a favorite even so Hip-Hop, RnB, and Rap have grown in
the south as favorites. Music is not my cupof tea, nor dancing but the
Lynyrd Skynyrd song "Sweet Home Alabama" is stilla major favorite group too.
Salsa you need lots of room and is considered as a outdoor genre rather than
a dancehall as some on stage artists aremaking it as its a hot genre
intended for the outdoors. Lynyrd Skynyrd music is a traveling music for on
the road.
WTF?
Southern literacy at its best....
I agree with the WTF, but there's even less Southern than there is Literacy
here.
Gerry
cmjaltx
2006-02-10 19:39:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by pTooner
I agree with the WTF, but there's even less Southern than there is
Literacy here.
Gerry
Yes but Jimmy Carter gives folks the wrong judgement call on wiretap
technology since he knew about it wiretap has gone supercomputer and thats
beyond satellite which during Carters day in office and before wiretap had a
pole climber a black or white van and some earphones and a tape recorder if
lucky to afford it otherwise its digital and imagery and lots of language
calls so the problem I got with Jimmy carter is that his Center was paid for
by the US Government and it seems that he don't care that much about wiretap
he don't understand and shuns it away as if that is going to make things any
better for all the people that go to The Carter Center in Georgia aside from
terrorist threats maybe Jimmy carter is trying the Southern cover your A^$*
trick to lure the terrorists to some other place besides where he has his
documents so he can lookup pole climbers and tag numbers for all the King
generation that have died or grown old. I do not have anything against black
people, some I think are more than cute and then there are some I would
certainly like to be close friends with but the world is passing folks by
because of the talk against wiretapping, software development for the
supercomputer is not a commercial venture, rather being so secret that it
seems why anyone would want to disclose to a court the important issue
details which do not need disclosure but rather closure on a permane\ant
basis by NSA not CIA and that is the wiretap problem as I see it the news
media is playing the hand for public suppport because of politics and it has
nothing to do with politics who is going to be safer knowing of a threat or
whom is not and if government passes the opportunity someday supercomputers
will be coming out of Japan that other nations can buy up and begin
endorsing their own wiretapping against any American business or individual
and thats where our supercomputer technology needs support and programming
backup so to prevent such as that from hogging the satellites. Look China
has so many people populi and Russia and European countries are battling for
services always and here come the middle east with our gas and oil money to
start their own thingy and they them ISLAM's that want immediate justice not
the courtroom type justice we are accustomed to and folks are being killed
and its just a blessed cartoon and they are hipocrits to believe that
someone will hire them to climb a pole and easedrop during a riot and that
makes me wonder if that is going to always be the problem that Denmark could
have had a supercomputer link and they could have accessed it during the
flag buring as a diversion.

Southern Smarts Show Jimmy Carter Is More Than Ignorant Of Supercomputer
technology and its capabilities to perform googles of mathematical problems
faster than he could perform one and it boils down to language conversion
and notification of leads to follow up on from certain inputs. Ity is
necessary, it is a real need and I don't need the Southern Hospitality of
Jimmy Carter and his old administration that think otherwise, there are to
many people without jobs and which do not possess the ability to have the
job so I don't see any new jobs occurring out of wiretapping laws just more
free tickets to nowhere that government has not got to pay the bill if it is
law and that is all it amounts to Lobbiest that want the money from every
spur of the moment thingy whether it will save another 911 from happening or
not they simply are money hoggish, besides Carter is a Republican and so is
Bush and Republicans control the government so how does that seem at all
possible that Bush wants his voters to survice terrorism and Jimmy carter
don't give a hill of beans to make it possible for even himself to survive
thus making himself a worldwide civil rights target and so many church
burnings makes me wonder if them arsonists coming from Georgia to get their
jollies in Alabama by buring churches.

Screwy administration administrators don't even have the ability to describe
what a future readout of wiretap information would look like cause they so
hooked onto the pole thingy themselves because they cannot afford the
supercomputer doing it for them when they need it done. Thats Special Access
Key Time anyway and they would go on record in more ways than one by
computer security and thats worse than police ADT security.

I say find the Hackers, who cares to find the Terrorists let them get all of
them before they blowup the world in which we live and destroy our lives as
they have so many others, if it requires wiretapping by supercomputer
technology let it happen and stop complaining that humans are not doing a
good enough job at it as it seems with knowledge of terrorists in America
prior to 911 and knowledge of hurricanes prior to Gulf states disasters.

Put the supercomputer we own to work! Need I say more! Want me to push a few
buttons for a while!

Thanks
Michael
I try not to sound like a prophet but sometimes I get riddled and forget
theres a different life I have to tend to from day to day and thats when I
am offline. Jimmy carter did not inspire me, Wallace inspired me to be
better than him. Just how can I campaign this matter like the politicians do
on television free time, thats what they are pushing for and Carter is
trying to oust out Bush to take the Republican votes for himself so he can
decide what to do?

"Sweet Home Alabama" is what the feeling is, not routy and rude like Carter
at a funeral. "Alabama" doing it makes some folks happier. Carter cannot
write the Lyrics much less read the lyrics a supercomputer can make the
words in all languages and styles even a hip-hop version besides the genre
CHRISTIAN RAP Carter seemed to play into.

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